RE: Volcano - Hawaii

Great Pictures!!

 

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Subject: FW: Volcano - Hawaii

 

 

These are absolutely incredible - you may have to cut and paste to get the pictures, but it so worth it!!! 

 


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Re: Volcano - Hawaii

They say 'Fact is Stranger than Fiction' - these pictures are better than Photoshopped images !
 
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These are absolutely incredible - you may have to cut and paste to get the pictures, but it so worth it!!! 
 

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Fwd: Importance of Domain Knowledge

Domain knowledge is very important!!!

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FW: Volcano - Hawaii

 

These are absolutely incredible - you may have to cut and paste to get the pictures, but it so worth it!!! 

 


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    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 30 12:32PM -0700  

    The was no meat on the bone in the first place old man...But of course as
    per usual you have to make sure that there is now..Once we have heard one
    of you OLD tory farts we have heard you ALL..
     
    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 18:52:39 UTC+1, jar wrote:

     

    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 30 12:34PM -0700  

    Well the likes of jar will keep it running because he then doesn't have to
    post on the threads about the mess his lot are making..
     
    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 18:33:21 UTC+1, Jane wrote:

     

    jar <jar1a2@aol.com> Sep 30 01:50PM -0700  

    Can't, see why Affa she challenges your posts as you would challenge others. Isn't this the way it's supposed to be?

     

    Affa <Affajeeves@aol.com> Sep 30 02:31PM -0700  

    On Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:50:01 PM UTC+1, jar wrote:

     
    > Can't, see why Affa she challenges your posts as you would challenge
    > others. Isn't this the way it's supposed to be?
     
    Why is easy Jar. It's inflexability, and convictions (no doubt honestly
    held) that I cannot relate or subscribe to.
    You will know by now, or should know. that I support the idea that given
    the opportunity most people can and will better themselves. The operative
    word here is 'opportunity'. Elaine will often state that people should
    strive to better themselves too, but imo supports policies that deny
    opportunity on the greater scale. I believe gov't has a duty to try and
    create opportunities, a duty to ensure that the 'system' equips people to
    take those opportunities - as I read her, people should make their own
    opportunities and make themselves needed.
    It isn't a complete appraisal, but it shows how far apart we both are.
    ........ my way I believe is a path towards accomplishment, the other a
    road to ruin.

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 02:55PM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 22:31:48 UTC+1, Affa wrote:
    > It isn't a complete appraisal, but it shows how far apart we both are.
    > ........ my way I believe is a path towards accomplishment, the other a
    > road to ruin.
     
    Creating a generation of welfare dependents and taxing those who do work to
    the hilt is hardly giving people opportunitys in life, instead of sitting
    on your arse waiting for the government to create a £50k per year job do it
    yourself, remortgage your house, set up a business, employ people paying
    way over the minimum wage knowing its almost impossible to sack them and if
    your successful thank Labour for taxing you at record rates because they
    detest anyone benefitting from taking a gamble and working hard
     

     

    jar <jar1a2@aol.com> Sep 30 03:51PM -0700  

    As I said affa are those points the stuff that are the ingredients for an interesting debate
    You and I differ on many things and that has led to some likely and interesting exchanges
    I am glad that this is so asthe alternative that we too often see on this board are nothing to be proud about

     

    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 30 08:23AM -0700  

    Who gives a shit Locky? Like I have already stated what a croc of shite
    that this country has to choose from ...Neither of the main parties are
    worth a toss..
     
    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 16:00:44 UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 10:02AM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 16:23:38 UTC+1, Jonksy wrote:
     
    > Who gives a shit Locky?
     

    You do.

     

    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 30 12:28PM -0700  

    Really?...I wouldn't waste your money on the lottery if I was you..
     
    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 18:02:26 UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:

     

    jar <jar1a2@aol.com> Sep 30 02:04PM -0700  

    Saw him on the Marr show usual politicians phrases .he reminds me of what Stalin must have thought after dealing with Churchill.
    Mclusky. Confirmed what we all know by threatening Millieband with the political dustbin if he didn't follow orders
    Millieband has a mountain to climb

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 02:35PM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 22:04:49 UTC+1, jar wrote:
     
    > Saw him on the Marr show usual politicians phrases .
     


    Typical Labour ploy, rehearsed indoctrinated sound bites, you could have
    Ballsups in one studio, Grommett in another and the rest of the shadow
    cabinet in others, they will all be word perfect in their spin, all give
    exactly the same answers to same pre agreed questions, the same old we have
    no policies so I wont answer that question, they oppose every austerity
    measure but will keep to austerity, they oppose NHS reform but will not
    change the reforms, their paymasters are calling for a general strike but
    Grommett spins he doesn't approve, anyone who believes this shit is an idiot

     

    jar <jar1a2@aol.com> Sep 30 01:58PM -0700  

    Or every time I sneeze I get an erection
    What do you take fo it
    Snuff
     
    On a more serious note I have heard that some do actually suffer from that condition

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 12:15PM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 19:54:15 UTC+1, Affa wrote:
     
    > .
    > And now for why it was this way .......... do you have any clue at all yet?
     
    Yuuup, most daughters marry a man just like their father, my daughter did,
    he's handsome, fit, intelligent and a hard worker, yours married a man with
    purple hair.
     

     

    Affa <Affajeeves@aol.com> Sep 30 12:22PM -0700  

    On Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:15:12 PM UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:
     
    > Yuuup, most daughters marry a man just like their father, my daughter did,
    > he's handsome, fit, intelligent and a hard worker, yours married a man with
    > purple hair.
     
    Mine married a man who once had a purple mohican haircut, which I never
    did. Did your's marry someone who dessed as a Nazi SS comandant like her
    dad?

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 12:34PM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 20:22:39 UTC+1, Affa wrote:
     
    > . Did your's marry someone who dessed as a Nazi SS comandant like her dad?
     
    My daughter wouldn't go anywhere near a nationalist SOCIALIST Affa.!
     

     

    jar <jar1a2@aol.com> Sep 30 01:54PM -0700  

    It's possible that the interesting time will come when all those that knew about are asked why they didn't do something about it
    Unbelievable things do go on in show biz

     

    Sandman <joerevo2@aol.com> Sep 30 01:08AM -0700  

    Why did Cameron go out of his way to open a factory of a crony
    from Chipping Norton, the factory does nothing for this country,
    other than the head man gives millions to the tories, Cameron
    should have told Bamford, if the factory was in Britain creating
    work for British people, he would have pleasure in opening it,
    instead he uses the tax payer funded trip to do a favour for a
    mate, or was it really a favour.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ios-exclusive-cameron-in-crony-row-over-brazil-factory-8191062.html

     

    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 30 07:49AM -0700  

    I wonder what his cronie promised the caMoron next time round Sandy?
     
    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 09:08:57 UTC+1, Sandman wrote:

     

    Affa <Affajeeves@aol.com> Sep 29 09:07PM -0700  

    On Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:24:26 AM UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:
     
    >> The "last few months" you said ......... easy to find
     
    > Are you denying you claimed Germany and France's economys were fairing
    > better than the UKs, be very carefull Affa.
     
    Why be careful, I know what I have said, and do not lie about it.
    Of course I have wriitten that both France & Germany have performed better
    economically over the last year or two than has the UK. It is true.
    At no time have I said they were performing "well under Hollande". nore
    have I told that either were not having difficulties.
    I asked for you to link to where I have made the statement you allege, and
    you cannot. Becuse I haven't said it.
    You have once again been defeated by the truth - the truth is its own
    defense. You still haven't learned that fact.





     

     

    Trueblue <V6jtrichardpr@aim.com> Sep 30 05:03AM -0700  

    On Sunday, 30 September 2012 05:07:09 UTC+1, Affa wrote:
    > Of course I have wriitten that both France & Germany have performed better
    > economically over the last year or two than has the UK. It is true.
    > At no time have I said they were performing "well under Hollande".
     
    ROTFLMHO



     

     

    Sandman <joerevo2@aol.com> Sep 30 01:09AM -0700  

    Why did Cameron go out of his way to open a factory of a crony
    from Chipping Norton, the factory does nothing for this country,
    other than the head man gives millions to the tories, Cameron
    should have told Bamford, if the factory was in Britain creating
    work for British people, he would have pleasure in opening it,
    instead he uses the tax payer funded trip to do a favour for a
    mate, or was it really a favour.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ios-exclusive-cameron-in-crony-row-over-brazil-factory-8191062.html

     

    Jonksy <jonksy@hotmail.co.uk> Sep 29 09:56PM -0700  

    New year lay-offs: Army to fire 8,000 soldiers in 'fast-track' redundancies
    and sackings of over-45s

    - The cut will reduce the Army to 86,000 - its smallest since the 1700s
    - A further 4,000 soldiers will go by 2020 in the huge cutbacks
    - Every regiment of the Regular Army will be hit with only the Special
    Forces protected from lay-offs
    - Under a controversial new proposal, British Army officers will be
    forced to retire at 45 – ten years earlier than at present
     
     
    [image: Facing redundancy: Every regiment in the army will be hit by the
    cuts that will see 8,000 soldiers lose their jobs]
     
    *Facing redundancy: Every regiment in the army will be hit by the cuts that
    will see 8,000 soldiers lose their jobs*
     
    Eight thousand British soldiers – many serving on the front line in
    Afghanistan – will be told days after Christmas that they are to lose their
    jobs.
     
    Redundancy notices will be sent to servicemen and women telling them their
    careers are over as part of sudden speeded-up cutbacks by the Ministry of
    Defence.
     
    The Army has already been shaken by the announcement of a swathe of cuts,
    which included the loss of historic regiments and the prospect of a gradual
    reduction in personnel over the next eight years.
     
    But now The Mail on Sunday has discovered that the MoD will make a single
    devastating cut of 8,000 servicemen and women, reducing the Army to 86,000
    – its smallest size since the 1700s. A further 4,000 soldiers will go
    before 2020.
     
    The axe will fall across every branch and regiment of the Regular Army,
    with only Special Forces ringfenced. Thousands of soldiers will disappear
    from regiments such as the Royal Welsh, the Royal Fusiliers, the Royal
    Engineers, the Royal Lancers and the Army Air Corps, which includes Prince
    Harry among its officers.
     
    The Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers is expected to lose 600 of
    its most skilled personnel, while the Royal Logistics Corps will also be
    badly hit.
     
    Last night serving officers, military experts and MPs condemned the drastic
    measure as a stab in the back for soldiers and a blow to the Army's
    capability.
     
    Former commander Tim Collins, who led the Royal Irish Regiment into Iraq in
    2003, said: 'This is meltdown. We're still fighting in Afghanistan, the
    world is changing rapidly and looks increasingly dangerous yet the
    Government is crippling our operational capability.
     
    'The sheer size of the redundancies in a single hit will devastate morale
    and send totally the wrong message to soldiers on the front line. In the
    new year they could find envelopes on their doormats with bad news inside.
    The job cuts across the Army cannot sit alongside Britain's commitments to
    its operations against the Taliban and terrorist organisations appearing in
    other countries.'
     
    In another move, British Army officers would be forced to retire at 45 –
    ten years earlier than at present – in a radical proposal by a Conservative
    member of the Defence Select Committee.
    [image: Outspoken: Former commander Lt Colonel Tim Collins, pictured in
    Iraq, described the cuts as 'crippling']
     
    *Outspoken: Former commander Lt Colonel Tim Collins, pictured in Iraq,
    described the cuts as 'crippling' *
    [image: Drastic: A further 4,000 soldiers will go by 2020 - leaving the
    Army at its smallest size since the 1700s]
     
    *Drastic: A further 4,000 soldiers will go by 2020 - leaving the Army at
    its smallest size since the 1700s *
     
    Julian Brazier MP wants to pare down the number of senior officers, leaving
    just a small cadre to fill specialist positions advising politicians. The
    plan, called 'Manning The Army Of The Future', represents the most drastic
    change to the structure of the Army since the Second World War.
     
    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210548/New-year-lay-offs-Army-8-000-soldiers-fast-track-redundancies-sackings-45s.html#ixzz27vSaT6DO

     

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - bangladesh story

sorry for my typo. meant to write, "pits bangladeshi muslims against hindus and buddhists"
ken


On 9/30/12 4:32 PM, kenneth harrow wrote:
i think it is instructive that the  latest religious violence, spurred by an image of the qur'an, not pits bangladeshi muslims against hindus and buddhists. recall that 1 million people died in Partition. we are not talking about ages ago, but little more than half a century/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19780692

Bangladesh rampage over Facebook Koran image

Muslim protesters have attacked Buddhist villages in Bangladesh, after an image said to show a burnt Koran was posted on social network site Facebook.

Witnesses said angry crowds set fire to homes and temples in the Cox's Bazar district, forcing families to flee.

A curfew has been imposed and security forces are patrolling the streets.

The man accused of posting the image is in protective custody. Police say he was tagged in the photo but did not post it himself.

'Premeditated communal violence'

Buddhists in the area, in south-east Bangladesh, said their possessions were stolen before their homes were destroyed.

"Before they set fire to my home, they looted everything," said resident Sumoto Barua.

Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir visited the scene and condemned the violence

"They took our possessions, money, gold and even computers. Then they torched the house. I am now living under open sky."

The violence erupted on Saturday and continued into the early hours of Sunday.

Hundreds of protesters are said to have rampaged through Buddhist neighbourhoods, smashing statues, burning down monasteries and attacking houses.

The violence spread to the outskirts of the port city of Chittagong, where a Hindu temple was also attacked.

Bangladeshi Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir visited the scene and described the violence as "premeditated and deliberate acts of communal violence against a minority".

District Commissioner of Cox's Bazar, Jaynul Bari, told the BBC Bengali service the government was already helping the victims.

"We have distributed food rations for them. The army will supply more food," he said.


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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Religious Intolerance and Islamic Extremists

dear segun
i think we are in agreement.
as for the question of "who crucified jesus," perhaps it might be rephrased, who was responsible for the crucifixion, and there i think we'd have to agree both roman authorities (represented by pontius pilate and the empire) and jewish zealots (represented by herod and his court).
but the real answer should go deeper: the crucifixion of jesus was the event of his sacrifice: all of christianity turns on the meaning of that sacrifice. he had to be sacrificed in order to absolve mankind of its sins.
so to assign legal blame for a transcendental act of sacrifice is to misread the meaning of the act.
if you see my point, we'd have to say god was responsible because he "gave his son," meaning, gave him to be sacrificed.
ken

On 9/30/12 12:19 PM, Segun wrote:
Ken; 
I sympathize  with you on the intolerance response from Christians who have hatred for the Jews because they killed Jesus. Jesus had to die in a painful manner from the prejudice of his people and their intolerance. Jesus had the freedom to say what he thought would be beneficial to his people but unfortunately it was misunderstood and he was betrayed by one of his disciples which subsequently led to his crucifixion. "He came for his own and his own received him not but as many as receive him to them he gave power to be the children of God." Jesus had a mission and to accomplish it, he had to die and the death had the involvement of the religious zealots of his people. 
Nobody, in my view, should avenge the killing of Jesus by his people on innocent Jews who knew nothing about the the crucifixion of Jesus.  
Ken, the Christians today know better particularly in my own part of the world-Africa that it is sheer religious bigotry and stupidity to kill any Jew in their midst because his ancestors killed Jesus the Christ. 
It is the same level of tolerance and respect for human dignity and freedom that other religious faiths like your parochial minded people and Muslims ought to emulate and stop violence and killings for any religious provocation. 
I want to acknowledge the right view of Prof. Dasylva on his contribution because that is the truth. 
Segun Ogungbemi. 

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On Sep 29, 2012, at 2:10 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

who did the crucifying? do you realize that by stating the jews crucified christ you unleash attacks on jews?
maybe this is something only jews really care about. i clearly remember from my youth the verbal assault on us jewish kids as christkillers when we walked past the neighborhood parochial school. it is a label used to justify attacking jews across the centuries.
what strikes me is how easily this slander passes through the lips of those evoking the death of jesus, a period in which the romans ruled over palestine  and crushed jewish revolt twice.
i taught western humanities for many years, and at one point taught chaucer's prioress's tale. here is the wiki synopsis. when you read it, when you realize how jews were attacked across the centuries in europe for having killed christ, you might understand why i reacted to the words that the jews crucified christ:

The Prioress's Tale:
The story begins with an invocation to the Virgin Mary, then sets the scene in Asia, where a community of Jews live in a Christian city. A seven-year-old school-boy, son of a widow, is brought up to revere Mary. He teaches himself the first verse of the popular Medieval hymn 'Alma Redemptoris Mater' ("Nurturing Mother of the Redeemer"); though he does not understand the words, an older classmate tells him it is about Mary. He begins to sing it every day as he walks to school through the Jews' street.

Satan, 'That hath in Jewes' heart his waspe's nest', incites the Jews to murder the child and throw his body on a dungheap. His mother searches for him and eventually finds his body, which begins miraculously to sing the 'Alma Redemptoris'. The Christians call in the provost of the city, who has the Jews drawn by wild horses and then hanged. The boy continues to sing throughout his burial service until the holy abbot of the community asks him why he is able to sing. He replies that although his throat is cut, he has had a vision in which Mary laid a grain on his tongue and he will keep singing until it is removed. The abbot removes the grain and he dies.

ken



On 9/29/12 7:11 AM, dasylvang@yahoo.com wrote:
It was the Roman colonial government that was in power then, but the complainants were indeed "Judaism zealots" led by the High/chief  priest and other judaism clerics who were intolerant of the new order that Jesus went about teaching: "to fear and obey God, to have a forgiving spirit, to love one's neighbor as one's self, to pursue holy living, to know the Truth and be set free by the Truth, and finally, to care for the needy." The intolerant  religious extremists went as far as hiring a crowd to prevail on the Roman judicary to crucify Jesus the Christ. 

So Segun was perfectly in order.


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i thought jesus was crucified by the romans
ken

On 9/28/12 11:44 AM, Segun wrote:
> I have pondered very deeply on religious intolerance in recent time which is not a new phenomenon. What is new is the unnecessary killings that the world has witnessed in the last twenty years particularly the Islamic extremism with violence in several parts of the world.
> Religious intolerance is a symptom of religious arrogance that has its historical antecedence documented in the historical background of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Jesus the Christ  was crucified by the zealots of Judaism. When Christianity became a dominant religion in Western Europe, their followers became intolerant of any form of criticisms. The Bible was held sacred and anyone who dare to criticize its teachings or doctrines would have himself to blame. Galileo who, from his scientific knowledge, gave a contrary view about the universe was put in inquisition by the Church where he died. I am aware that Pope John Paul apologized for that extremist practice of the Church at that time but the damage cannot be completely assuaged.
> The history of Islam manifested that sense of intolerance when Prophet Muhammad felt that the traditional religion of his people was idolatrous. His religious arrogance was challenged by his people and he had to run to Medina for safety. If he had not run for safety in Medina his people would probably have killed him and there would not have been any religion called Islam. The intolerance of his people and his intolerance of other faiths subsequently became part of the canon of Islam he founded. His Jihad and the call to eliminate infidels is the height of his religious intolerance.
> If Prophet Muhammad criticized the religious beliefs of his people why should Islam not be criticized?
> Christian missionaries came to Africa and in many ways showed their intolerance for the indigenous religious beliefs and practices. As a matter of fact  indigenous religion was given derogatory names and terminologies. Some of them called the indigenous religion of Africans primitive, idolatry, paganism etc. In spite of these insults on the holy order of traditional Africans the Church have not been attached by the people whose religion they have desecrated.
> Muslims from time to time have poured invectives on traditionalists. They are labeled as infidels and yet no Muslims have been killed or their property destroyed. Now, why is it that the Muslims feel offended when they are criticized or their religion is ridiculed by others? They have no reason to be upset to the point of killing innocent people who have nothing to do with a film or magazine produced in the US or France.
> Knowledge comes from self evaluation and criticisms from others. They are challenges that should not be ignored. Religious beliefs have to be subjected to criticisms or even ridicule and when  critics are tired of their blasphemous and provocative statements they will give up the "fight".
> Let us allow freedom of speech and expression to thrive because that is one of the cornerstones of knowledge and development.
> Muslims must learn to wear the mantle of tolerance and embrace dialogue in any seeming provocations from any part of the global village.
> Segun Ogungbemi.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Religious Intolerance and Islamic Extremists

dear segun
where is your source that states that the religious zealots crucified jesus? he was crucified by the roman soldiers;
i have the absolute source: wikipedia. here is their account. is it incorrect?

The crucifixion of Jesus is an event that occurred during the 1st century AD. Jesus, who Christians believe is the Son of God as well as the Messiah, was arrested, tried, and sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged, and finally executed on a cross. Collectively referred to as the Passion, Jesus' redemptive suffering and death by crucifixion represent the central aspects of Christian theology, including the doctrines of salvation and atonement.

Jesus' crucifixion is described in all four Canonical gospels, attested to by other ancient sources, and regarded as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.[1][2][3][4][5] Christians believe Jesus' suffering was foretold in the Hebrew Bible, such as in Psalm 22, and Isaiah's songs of the suffering servant.[6] According to a Gospel Harmony, Jesus was arrested in Gethsemane following the Last Supper with the Twelve Apostles, and forced to stand trial before a Sanhedrin, Pontius Pilate, and Herod Antipas, before being handed over for crucifixion. After being flogged, Jesus was mocked by Roman soldiers as the "King of the Jews", clothed in a purple robe, crowned with thorns, beaten and spat on. Jesus then had to make his way to the place of his crucifixion.

Once at Golgotha, Jesus was offered wine mixed with gall to drink. Matthew's and Mark's Gospels record that he refused this. He was then crucified and hung between two convicted thieves. According to Mark's Gospel, he endured the torment of crucifixion for some six hours from the third hour, at approximately 9 am,[7] until his death at the ninth hour, corresponding to about 3 pm.[8] The soldiers affixed a sign above his head stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" in three languages, divided his garments and cast lots for his seamless robe. The Roman soldiers did not break Jesus' legs, as they did to the other two men crucified (breaking the legs hastened the crucifixion process), as Jesus was dead already. Each gospel has its own account of Jesus' last words, seven statements altogether.[9] In the Synoptic Gospels, various supernatural events accompany the crucifixion, including darkness, an earthquake, and (in Matthew) the resurrection of saints. Following Jesus' death, his body was removed from the cross by Joseph of Arimathea and buried in a rock-hewn tomb, with Nicodemus assisting. According to the Gospels, Jesus then rose from the dead two days later (the "third day").

there were no jewish soldiers, only roman ones who carried out the crucifixion.
ken


On 9/30/12 12:19 PM, Segun wrote:
Ayo;
Yes, it was a form of capital punishment introduced by the Romans but it was not the Romans who crucified Jesus. The religious zealots among the Jews did the wicked act. 
As a matter of fact Pontus Pilate did not find Jesus guilty because he was not found to have violated the Roman laws. But the Jews said crucify him and he handed over Jesus to them because his accusers were bent of getting rid of him by means of crucifixion. 
Segun 

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On Sep 29, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Ayo Obe <ayo.m.o.obe@gmail.com> wrote:

Even the Pope has admitted that it wasn't the fault of the Jews.  Crucifixion was a peculiarly Roman form of punishment.  

Ayo
I invite you to follow me on Twitter @naijama

On 29 Sep 2012, at 14:10, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

who did the crucifying? do you realize that by stating the jews crucified christ you unleash attacks on jews?
maybe this is something only jews really care about. i clearly remember from my youth the verbal assault on us jewish kids as christkillers when we walked past the neighborhood parochial school. it is a label used to justify attacking jews across the centuries.
what strikes me is how easily this slander passes through the lips of those evoking the death of jesus, a period in which the romans ruled over palestine  and crushed jewish revolt twice.
i taught western humanities for many years, and at one point taught chaucer's prioress's tale. here is the wiki synopsis. when you read it, when you realize how jews were attacked across the centuries in europe for having killed christ, you might understand why i reacted to the words that the jews crucified christ:

The Prioress's Tale:
The story begins with an invocation to the Virgin Mary, then sets the scene in Asia, where a community of Jews live in a Christian city. A seven-year-old school-boy, son of a widow, is brought up to revere Mary. He teaches himself the first verse of the popular Medieval hymn 'Alma Redemptoris Mater' ("Nurturing Mother of the Redeemer"); though he does not understand the words, an older classmate tells him it is about Mary. He begins to sing it every day as he walks to school through the Jews' street.

Satan, 'That hath in Jewes' heart his waspe's nest', incites the Jews to murder the child and throw his body on a dungheap. His mother searches for him and eventually finds his body, which begins miraculously to sing the 'Alma Redemptoris'. The Christians call in the provost of the city, who has the Jews drawn by wild horses and then hanged. The boy continues to sing throughout his burial service until the holy abbot of the community asks him why he is able to sing. He replies that although his throat is cut, he has had a vision in which Mary laid a grain on his tongue and he will keep singing until it is removed. The abbot removes the grain and he dies.

ken



On 9/29/12 7:11 AM, dasylvang@yahoo.com wrote:
It was the Roman colonial government that was in power then, but the complainants were indeed "Judaism zealots" led by the High/chief  priest and other judaism clerics who were intolerant of the new order that Jesus went about teaching: "to fear and obey God, to have a forgiving spirit, to love one's neighbor as one's self, to pursue holy living, to know the Truth and be set free by the Truth, and finally, to care for the needy." The intolerant  religious extremists went as far as hiring a crowd to prevail on the Roman judicary to crucify Jesus the Christ. 

So Segun was perfectly in order.


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Professor of African Literature & Oral Literature;
Coordinator, Ibadan Cultural Studies Group,
Room 68, Faculty of Arts,
University of Ibadan,
Ibadan, Nigeria. 

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Redeemer's University,
Km 46, Lagos-Ibadan Express Way,
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-------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Religious Intolerance and Islamic Extremists From: kenneth harrow To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com CC:

i thought jesus was crucified by the romans
ken

On 9/28/12 11:44 AM, Segun wrote:
> I have pondered very deeply on religious intolerance in recent time which is not a new phenomenon. What is new is the unnecessary killings that the world has witnessed in the last twenty years particularly the Islamic extremism with violence in several parts of the world.
> Religious intolerance is a symptom of religious arrogance that has its historical antecedence documented in the historical background of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Jesus the Christ  was crucified by the zealots of Judaism. When Christianity became a dominant religion in Western Europe, their followers became intolerant of any form of criticisms. The Bible was held sacred and anyone who dare to criticize its teachings or doctrines would have himself to blame. Galileo who, from his scientific knowledge, gave a contrary view about the universe was put in inquisition by the Church where he died. I am aware that Pope John Paul apologized for that extremist practice of the Church at that time but the damage cannot be completely assuaged.
> The history of Islam manifested that sense of intolerance when Prophet Muhammad felt that the traditional religion of his people was idolatrous. His religious arrogance was challenged by his people and he had to run to Medina for safety. If he had not run for safety in Medina his people would probably have killed him and there would not have been any religion called Islam. The intolerance of his people and his intolerance of other faiths subsequently became part of the canon of Islam he founded. His Jihad and the call to eliminate infidels is the height of his religious intolerance.
> If Prophet Muhammad criticized the religious beliefs of his people why should Islam not be criticized?
> Christian missionaries came to Africa and in many ways showed their intolerance for the indigenous religious beliefs and practices. As a matter of fact  indigenous religion was given derogatory names and terminologies. Some of them called the indigenous religion of Africans primitive, idolatry, paganism etc. In spite of these insults on the holy order of traditional Africans the Church have not been attached by the people whose religion they have desecrated.
> Muslims from time to time have poured invectives on traditionalists. They are labeled as infidels and yet no Muslims have been killed or their property destroyed. Now, why is it that the Muslims feel offended when they are criticized or their religion is ridiculed by others? They have no reason to be upset to the point of killing innocent people who have nothing to do with a film or magazine produced in the US or France.
> Knowledge comes from self evaluation and criticisms from others. They are challenges that should not be ignored. Religious beliefs have to be subjected to criticisms or even ridicule and when  critics are tired of their blasphemous and provocative statements they will give up the "fight".
> Let us allow freedom of speech and expression to thrive because that is one of the cornerstones of knowledge and development.
> Muslims must learn to wear the mantle of tolerance and embrace dialogue in any seeming provocations from any part of the global village.
> Segun Ogungbemi.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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distinguished professor of english
michigan state university
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room C-614 wells hall
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